Well, and Catherine, help us better understand who some of those elites, financial, political, otherwise, who some of them are who are investing either political capital into this movement or financial capital.

Well, on the tech elite side, we can look at Marc Andreessen, of course, who has invested directly in networks like New Founding.

We can look to someone like Peter Thiel, who has supported and spoken at events for a group called Acts 17.

It's a Silicon Valley nonprofit focusing on the intersection of Christianity, science, and technology.

And there are two points to make about the alliance between this sector of the tech right and the religious right.

First, it's an alliance of convenience.

These tech bros want minimal regulation or no regulation of their tech monopolies.

How does this effort compare to Amish or Mennonite communities? Catherine?

Everybody always says

that.

Everybody always says that.

You're just so nice.

Canadians are so nice.

But I think...

I think it has a lot to do with the way I was raised.

But were you ever, I don't want to say doubting it, but were you ever like, I hope this goes really well? Well,

So what is different now about the Trump Pentagon in 2026 than the Trump Pentagon in 2017 when they expanded the list of religions.

Right.

And I want to point out that many faith groups, representatives of faith groups are really understandably outraged.

We have two senators from Utah, Mike Lee and John Curtis, who have condemned the move for not identifying the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a form of the Christian faith.

Religious freedom and advocacy groups are also outraged.

But no matter how this is framed or whatever excuses they give us, These actions comport with the actions of Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, because he is a core representative of the privileging of a certain form of religion in government and society.

In fact, the announcement linked actually to a video posted to social media by Hegseth in which he said that the military's chaplain corps had become infected by political correctness and secular humanism.

How concerned are you for this generation of children who are going through this, particularly children who are of different faiths from those that are represented in these curricula or in the display of the Ten Commandments?

Now, you and I have talked about this a little bit, and there is some commonality that you found in those names, isn't there?

I, I think this is a good list of names.

I think British Columbian parents have relatively good taste, personally.

These are all names that strike me as relatively old-fashioned, but they are not, Bruce, actually the most traditional names in BC.

If you look at the last hundred years of babies being normed in, named in BC, only one of the top five names has made the list this year.

Would you like to guess?

Liam, Olivia for sure, Charlotte, ah, royalty, Jack, old royalty, Henry, certainly royalty, Sophia, on the edge of royalty, James, royalty.

Sure.

But what was it that turned you on to exposing these frauds?

Well, I got my start on this issue about 16 years ago.

I was in Santa Barbara, California, and something called a Good News Club came to my daughter's public elementary school.

Good News Clubs are programs of religious indoctrination targeting kids as young as five in public elementary schools with materials that are intended to teach kids who are too young to read.

And they teach them that without Jesus, they're going to go to hell and they need to go to the right kind of church.

And they give kids candy and prizes for recruiting their peers to the club.

And I was frankly astonished to learn that this kind of program was legal and constitutional, given the separation of church and state in our school when the Good News Club started.

But how did you find this hierarchy and what should we understand about, say, the funders and the thinkers and the sergeants? I love that you've done this for all of these douchebags.