So let's get straight into it, uh, with episode 61 of The Middle of the Pack Podcast with Catherine Harris, where I've asked her how she got into running.

So I always ran cross country when I was in secondary school, but very informally.

We never trained for it.

We just kind of got turfed onto a bus and, and driven out to the East Leinster competitions.

And I, I, I was always okay at running and really never did any training.

I loved the bleep test.

I loved when it was the bleep test day, which really angered my friends because they dreaded it all year.

... ahead of my time or should I go back and then push on?" You know, what's the, the right thing to do?

Do you have a problem with public drinking there, Catherine?

Hi, Andrea.

Yes, unfortunately we do.

We'd be much more akin with TUME.

We have all the same issues.

I mean, you only have to come down and look at the amount of bottles and cans that we pick up off the street on a weekly basis.

And there it is.

so you don't know until you're nearly on top of them, noon until you're past them, Catherine.

Yeah.

I had to check this the other day.

Um, a coach I work with, Ian, he had just started doing trail runs with our friend Sean, and Christmas Eve he invited me out.

We went, we went trail running along the Wicklow Way, and the weather was just comically bad.

We had a brilliant first about 10 kilometers.

We ran 10 kilometers in an hour and a half.

Beautiful scenes.

What, what, what would you say to that person sitting at home?

Um, have you witnessed similar scenes to Harriet, Catherine?

Absolutely.

So we're just down the road from Harriet, and, and literally last, uh, Sunday evening, it was apocalyptic what we, what we witnessed.

I mean, uh, the whole seafront had been turned into a rubbish dump, to be quite honest.

And, um, you know, uh, just to mention about the bins, uh, as Harriet said, the council are great at putting additional bins in, and they put these large 1,100-liter wheelie bins in very close to the big belly bins.

But for some obscure reason, these were not being used, and instead, all the rubbish was being stuffed into the big belly bins.

The big belly bins were open.

Litter wardens, yeah