Okay

...

so yeah, I started there.

Um, and my mom grew up showing horses, and- She-- actually, so she used to love horses, so when she went to the fair with m- with my grandparents as a kid, uh, they told my grandma that they were, um, to go get a hot dog, and my grandpa and my mom came back with a horse, and so that's how horses came back in the family.

[laughs]

Mm-hmm.

Um, and I feel like that was something that made us so successful was, you know, not only that partnership that we had, but, like, also our bond.

Um, Gilly, I don't, I don't know how he did, but he always knew...