Every kid needs to break the code at some point in order to learn to read, right? So is it mostly a matter of how phonics is taught rather than just how much?

I think it's kind of a combination of both.

And I think how phonics is taught is a big portion of it.

So let me kind of back up just a little bit and kind of give us a sense of what we mean when we say the science of reading.

Because I think the science of reading and phonics instruction go together, but they're not exactly the same thing.

So I think there's at least three definitions of the science of reading.

of what we mean when we talk about this thing called the science of reading.

So