don't know how to answer that to be honest with

you I think life skills we weren't young starting that business either I would say in some ways I was 37 37 Yeah, so like we're not starting at 21 either.

Like I worked in corporate for 10 years.

Like at Motorola, I suppose, was a fantastic working.

It was really, it was a big multinational, you know, I was there six years and moved job four times in those six years.

You were moving and learning at a fantastic rate.

And the skill sets in that business, like, you know, brought along senior management meetings, a lot of stuff, a lot of senior stuff going on in that company at the time because it was in the throes of, as a company, it was at the throes of changing from a massive business and then starting to struggle a little bit at that time, you know, where they eventually exited and apparently all together about four years after that.

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