So what would your vision be of dentistry working well as a whole? And are there any countries that have this model?

Do you know, I'm so lucky because in, in the consultancy work that I do, I'm all over the world, so I have been looking at how dentistry works in lots of other countries, and I honestly don't believe that anyone's got it perfectly right, and, and I suppose that gives you a bit of a, um, [lips smack] uh, it, it, it gives you a bit of a, a mindset of like, "Well, hmm, let's try something new," because there are so many people trying different things all over the world.

Um, I'm, I'm noticing that generally speaking, and I, I hate to say it and it, it's just, it happens to be the way that I find it, um, dentistry is very much led by the way fees are paid.

Um, so in different countries we have different situations of, of how fees are paid.

And, um, you know, for example, in Germany, they have an insurance-based, um, structure where the, the, the state will insure a certain amount of types of, of dentistry, and so that's all the dentistry that gets done.

[chuckles] You know, there isn't anyone coming aside from that.

Um, so you asked what my ideal plan would be, what, what the future of dentistry is and, and what it would look like.

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