[laughs]

And I, I actually, I actually don't think I've ever really felt confident until quite recently, maybe since I started talking about it [laughs] more than thinking about it.

Because, you know, I think that imposter syndrome is often very s- it's, it's strong in, in all of us.

Um, and I didn't, I'd never really recognized it as a thing.

We probably didn't talk about it as much as we do now.

Um, but, but the more I started to, to look into or f- or try and understand my own confidence, because a lot of people would go, "Oh, Cat, you're so confident." I do a job that appears to be very confident, whether it's on the radio or it's on the telly, but I never really f- felt it inside.

Um, and, and I had a f- had quite a lot of things over the last wee while that really knocked my confidence.

Yeah.