what would like, all right, so say I come to you for grief and loss, what does it look like as far as like a session? If we were to go out in nature, what would that look like?

Yeah.

So there's different options.

Like I think one thing I just want to say is sometimes people think an obstacle to this kind of work is not having access to nature.

So I'll give you an example of what it looks like to actually go out in nature and what we might you know, do together.

And then I've done this on Zoom, which might seem crazy because we're not outside in nature.

Although sometimes people can connect on their phone and be out in a walk in the park while we can do that together.

So is there something that you would suggest to people who are listening?