really.

Look, basically, I...

Yeah, I mentioned this earlier on, I'm actually coming off the at the back short thing, so I don't normally sound quite like this, but if anyone's distracted by that, there's your explanation.

Let's just move on.

But yeah, with BugCraft, really what it came down to, like I grew up hacking in like the late 80s, you know, and the 90s, that was kind of my vintage.

finished high school, didn't know what I was going to do, basically tripped over into a network engineering job and started breaking stuff in context of that and then realized that, oh, okay, this offensive security mindset, this idea of enjoying thinking like a criminal but not wanting to be one, there was actual good that I could do with that and a potential career that I could build from that.

That was sort of my experience with that.

I mean, right now we're recording end of July, so the past, I guess, seven months plus...