So you think there's room there to maybe understand the risks better? What do you think a co-op dealing with more of these assets coming under the grid, what do you think they need to understand better?

I'd highlight these three that I don't think they get enough attention.

First, vendor dependency risk.

If a co-op's EV network is managed through a third party platform and that platform experiences an outage or a breach, the co-op loses visibility and control over the assets to its own system.

A lot of co-ops just haven't thought through what that scenario looks like operationally or even who they'd call.

Second, there's a contract gap risk.

A lot of the agreements that these co-ops have signed with their DER developers or their EV vendors or demand management system platforms were negotiated without cybersecurity provisions in the contracts.

And do you think the risks are different for small versus large co-ops? Is this something where a large co-op has better visibility or more resources? Kind of talk about the differences by size for co-ops.