uh, you point to that, that, that moment, um, you know, and is there in, in, in different contexts, is there a way to kind of recapture the feeling of that?

Uh, yeah, you, you mean like to recapture the feeling of just getting together, just us and getting, getting back to the heart of the matter.

Uh, yeah, yeah.

And, and I think we have, you know, I think we're good about keeping that somewhere in the front sites, you know, out, out ahead of the vehicle.

Um, because because yeah that is you know it's such a core part of who we are and how we operate and when you go on tour which is obviously such a big part of what we do it's like you have to have that you know you have to have that like you have to be fun having fun playing the music sharing that with people you know it's a two-way street between the band and the audience and so if you're not there like they can't they can't meet you there you know so uh so yeah i think uh i think maybe the swings between those two polar opposites are less wide these days uh you know and it all kind of just coexists out out in front of us

Is there a distinct... delineation between the songs that are on each one? Is it somewhat arbitrary or is there really kind of like a method to the way the songs were, I guess the tracking was decided?

Yeah, no, I think we grouped them accordingly, you know, and having the two records having a different vibe from one another.

You know, when we came up with the double record release plan, which Dual Tone was, like, super supportive of, and I think they...

Carter, what's your take on all

that? There's a very therapeutic nature of writing songs.

I think that's probably why a lot of people get into songwriting is some sort of therapy.

But I agree with Tojo and Lucinda Williams that...

Yeah, you might start writing something down when you're super pissed off or emotionally charged, but those are usually the things that I look back at.

I'm like, hey, take it easy there, guy.

And then with a clear head, you can maybe edit some of that or like Tojo said, give it a little more perspective or maybe write some lines that see the other side of the story or whatever.

There's always something going on and times when I'm working on something or like that.