Because what the last thing we want is for them to say, "In order to do this, it's gonna be painful." Where do you get to the point where now it's like the pain's worth it?

Right.

Th- yeah, that's a great question.

I mean, when you first start working out, obviously there's, you can hurt yourself and hurt your muscle, whatever.

But you have that soreness or pain of like, "Oh," like, "this is kinda hard." Like, even six months ago, for me, I put on a journey of, like, I'm really not good at running right now.

I wanna get in cardio shape.

I hate it and it hurts, but I knew that I'm gonna set a goal to myself to stay consistent to it to see that, what it would do.

As you went through that journey, what were some of the challenges that you had to get Dennis to where he wanted to be?