What is the through line for you across this journey leading you to where you are now?

A desire to be exhausted, maybe? I don't know.

I think if you're asking me what connects it all, is it's probably this really naive belief that art can change the world.

And I do, I believe that in my soul, and I believe that we need art.

And I have, I've taken this really windy path through this wild, unregulated marketplace, which is what it is.

From, you know, I was, my first job right out of university was at Condé Nast.

I was writing headlines for Traveler and to escape corporate America, which was not for me.

like, yes.