Mm-hmm.

Um, either way, they like the attention.

A lot of folks are just kinda quiet about it.

And so if you could get them to talk about it, you began to sense, like, this is something they've spent a lot of time thinking about.

And a lot of time, even if I disagree with where they landed, they weren't just flippant about their decisions.

Um, and I think, yeah, it, it comes back to that curiosity, which I briefly mentioned a second ago that I lived in China for four years, and that's really...

In a weird way, that was such a formational time in my life-

Wow.