What were the key turning points along that journey and what did each stage teach you about

It is more than 30 years, so there are many turning points.

But I would actually share that some of the key turning points would, of course, be the global financial crisis in 2008.

I think that was very challenging.

The shipping market was over leveraged, myself included.

We had too many ships that were built in the heydays of 2006 and 2007, and they were very expensive.

And the banks at the time were very free with giving money.

So from your experience, what makes that ecosystem work? And what lessons might other maritime centers learn from Singapore?