I think Michelle does too about, you know, it's hard to say when there are too many kids all at once too much, but it's like 30, yeah, and two, no.

I think, you know, one thought I have about these extreme cases that we're kind of alluding to that have been, you know, high profile in the news over the last couple of years.

And I think what makes some of these cases feel uncomfortable, at least for me, is that they're amplifying some concerns that I suspect are already present just on a smaller scale, right? We're talking about things like commodification, power imbalances, things that we've already touched on.

Um, and I think it's easier for all of us to say, okay, working with two gestational carriers feels more or less permissible, but 10 feels egregious.

But that distinction feels more like it's based on intuition as opposed to some data-driven, clear ethical boundary.

Um, and so I would argue that this is more of a spectrum, and as we kind of progress along that spectrum, Michelle, as you were saying, like it becomes more and more visible that there are ethical concerns and sort of red flags that underlie the motives.

So I think at least in my view, it's less about where we're drawing a hard line and more about evaluating the practice kind of at its root, um, and minimizing harm where we can.

Caroline, if we said we're gonna make sure that the people seeking the services really are in need of infertility help, [chuckles] we're gonna have some sort of probing of motive, uh, of the person who's trying to do concurrent surrogacy, we're going to make sure as best we can about defending the rights and best interests of the surrogates, does that package-- does that go far enough to then let us tolerate the practice?