significant grief for the

first time.

And that can, you know, make you feel all at sea.

I think the other part of what Brock was talking about, I think we sometimes think about grief and we think of gender norms.

And I think certainly males can sometimes have that stigma associated to them around you must carry on, you must move forward, don't show those emotions that are particularly female, which of course we know now to be very unhelpful.

And I think it's really important for males sometimes to step into all those feelings as humans.

It shouldn't be gendered.

What would you sort of say, how can you read the situation or kind of intuitively know what is right and wrong in the moment?