So what have you learned growing in that shady woodland aspect in the Explorers garden that you could pass on to listeners? What tips do you have for growing in those conditions?

I would think about the type of shade that you've got.

There's so many different types where even in the explorer's garden itself, you get down into the Himalayan glade that I just mentioned.

And when you go down our serpentine path, you feel a temperature drop.

It's like you've been transported.

And it really does encapsulate coming down from the mountain and into the woodland space.

And that's our cool damp and what you would say is deeply shaded part of the garden.

So when you were writing the book, was there one explorer whose story captured your imagination more than any other? Or were there things which were surprising when you learned more about different explorers? What stood out for you?