Mm-hmm.

It traumatized me, really.

I got to know, um, Professor Clare Rusbridge pretty soon after that because I started digging in.

And the other thing I thought was, if this is happening to my dog, then possibly it's happening to a lot of other dogs as well, and possibly a lot of other owners are going through this type of thing.

And I just began looking into it all, you know, the whole system of dog breeding.

Uh, the reaction of the breeder to the problem with the puppy that she had bred was quite hostile, and also other breeders within the Cavalier King Charles circle.

All those reactions made me think, "There's something really wrong here."

So how did that process of looking for a puppy this time, how is it different to in the past? What was it about the breeder that, you know, made you want to have one of his dogs essentially?