Where's the current mindset at with these partners and what's exciting about them?

So that's a really good question.

And I think it's kind of the question.

It's where are partners coming in? What does a Cisco partner look like? And it's a big tent, honestly.

Cisco is really a lot of the time thinking about architectures and maybe that's networking, maybe that's security, maybe that's collaboration.

That's a big piece of it as well.

Everyone can't do everything in a Cisco world, right? It's about opportunity costs and it's about specialization.

So what are you seeing on that front within the partner ecosystem? How are they getting involved? And I'm curious on your thoughts of that.