What about you, Carmel? What do your bankers tell you after? Because you kind of made them sit through some of this.

Yeah, and I think the sort of insights, the real lightbulb moments were just what the Farming for the Future work quantified that is very sort of hidden in the day-to-day.

So we look at a tree and there's no pasture under it and we see the loss of productivity under a tree.

But what the study revealed is the productive gains up to 20 tree heights per outside of that tree.

So for example, a microbat eats 40% of its body weight every night.

So providing habitat for crop protection for beneficial insects and birds and all the rest of it, you don't quantify that.

And in some of the research that was presented, the benefits were up to sort of 20% yield for canola crops just isolating the impact of having that habitat to have that sort of crop protection ecosystem services from those fauna and birds so that was kind of an insight and then being able to really quantify what producers know that you know animals look for shade and shelter they they lose condition when it's really hot they lose condition when it's really cold we lose we lose young livestock and actually putting a dollar value on that.

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