Yeah.

"Let's, let's get to the other side." Um, you know, so I just think it's, like, such a, it's such a special group of people in that I don't think you need to sacrifice yourself on the altar of art to make good art.

And the thing is that I couldn't.

It's such a vulnerable story that I had to take care of myself imperfectly and be in an environment where we're taking care of each other.

That's actually the only way that this story could come through.

Um, and we just really don't need to be martyrs to do art, and we don't need to sacrifice our wellbeing.

Um, and I think that me and a lot of people being grounded in, like, community organizing and in queer community really helped that come through, 'cause I'm not, like, you know, super trained in, um, music or theater or like...

Mm-hmm.