How do you think about measuring that? How do you promote it so that people in the country say this is worth it?

So, you know, figures get bandied about in the tens of billions.

But I think that ultimately the impact to GDP here will be the order of $20 billion.

perhaps a little bit more.

Now that's a fraction of an economy that's 30 trillion dollars.

But even then, 20, 25 billion is larger than a third of the world's GDP.

So it's not insignificant.

What was the experience like of advising a country in such a profound state of social and political transition?