Oh, so you asked if you could have an open relationship?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So we had a conversation around that for like... seven months or so, like what would that look like? You know, what the agreements were, what we felt comfortable with, what we didn't.

So, so we opened our relationship, um, we started dating separately, went to a play party together.

I went to a couple by myself.

Um, and yeah, so then I had like a couple of years of like full exploration and getting to do all the things that I never got to do in my twenties.

And is that what causes sex to break down in relationships effectively?

And in that context, messy and beautiful kind of relational intimate space that they're not as good because we've not been trained and nobody's shown us how to go there and what the real meaning of intimacy is so uh can you speak about that can you just speak about what i've just framed

yeah absolutely and you know it's the different like men and women are different biologically So we're looking for different things from relationship, from a biological sort of instinctual perspective.

But also we've been conditioned differently as well.

So when you put all of that into the mix, there's so much opportunity for misunderstanding and miscommunication.

And, you know, much of the work that I'm doing, you know, you spoke with my bio around being an advocate for men in women's spaces.

Much of what I'm sharing with women is that men, what they consider to be men's bad behavior isn't really them being bad.

It's speaking to something much deeper and troubling that they're unable to maybe, if they lack the self-awareness, they don't understand themselves properly.

things like, what are you talking about? it's insignificant well it's not it's not insignificant