Is there ever any, uh, a period in, in your time raising the boys where there was conflict, where you look back today that you're glad you didn't cross the line? Or maybe you did, and you think about it now, how things could've been handled different.

Yeah, I, you know what I like to say, and I wanted to say this on the outset, is that, uh, you know, raising the three boys and two daughters who are educators, I, uh, I know P.K., Malcolm, and Jordan, they get a, uh, the, the spotlight on them.

But I like to say too from the parenting, uh, point of view, is that they make me look a lot better [laughs] than I really am as a parent.

And being a parent, as you know, is it's a journey and it, and it's a process.

Um, but the one thing I, I learned to do, um, was to learn.

You know, I had to get better, I'm not gonna say as a hockey parent.

I had to get better as a parent to be the hockey parent that my boys needed me to be for them to go where they wanted to go.

down to Jordan, um, and, and obviously in the middle, I believe Malcolm was the middle, um, how did that kind of evolve as your boundaries? Did they get stronger? Did you kinda stay status quo? And what were your boundaries like?