I'm just really curious, was there anyone or any influence in your life that ever created these opportunities for you? Whether that was a program you trained on or a creative or even like a family member? Was there ever a turning point or moment where someone enabled something for you and it really resonated with you in the fact that you wanted to go ahead and help this for other people? I

think, I mean, early career, I don't think so.

I think it was really a massive struggle to find like a mentor or to find someone that would take a chance on someone who had no experience and didn't really know anyone in the industry.

But I think to kind of push it back further I had some really great teachers growing up and they were so fantastic and they took their time.

I had a terrible attendance record at school and I wasn't able to kind of do like extracurricular things.

So they were really able to help kind of identify that and give me the extra support that I needed at times, which wasn't necessarily...

It was just, I think I always had like the, and I still do now to be fair, I've always got like the ambition and like I want to do this and this is how I can do this.

yeah