How did that evolve the leadership that your team sees and that the company sees now?

I think that who we are is someone we've become.

We didn't end up where we are today as the early grown individuals.

And so as a leader, I'm extremely interested in where people come from, how they became, what impacted them.

I would say that riding horses is probably the most impactful thing in my development as a human throughout my life.

And It taught me memorable things about working hard, about hearing something else, about falling down and getting wrapped up, the old proverb.

But truly, you know, it was something that taught a lot of great skills at a young age.

Like, why does that float your boat? I know it's important, of course, for everybody, but to be in your bio, it's got to be near and dear to your heart.