I would love to hear like a few more examples of like what it could look like to misuse these skills in a way that seems well-meaning, but like it actually isn't.

Well, I think the sort of unfortunate elephant in the room.

And I'm pretty familiar with the elephant because I'm in an organizational leadership program and I'm taking a critical perspective.

And most of the time when I drop discussion board posts, nobody wants to engage with them because the problem is we talk a lot about the self-serving interests that can sort of come in and derail and we misuse things and stuff.

And I think that's all really valid.

Everything you just said, I agree with.

And also, sometimes the interests are system serving.

What would you sort of imagine as the sort of adjustments that are necessary to avoid that further drift or make it even worse?