So what do you think are your biggest strengths as a leader?

Well, I think to be a leader, right, you're part of a team.

And you can't underestimate that.

I mean... anyone that saw the trial understands the amount of preparation and teamwork required.

This wasn't just me, right? It took me staying up till four in the morning, getting two hours of sleep and having the rest of the cross-examination outline put under my door in a hotel.

That's teamwork, right? I mean, that's what it really requires.

So I think my favorite thing is being able to work together with people that I respect and that I like.

And I asked her, you know, how are those cases different than others? How could you elaborate on that? So how is a celebrity case different than a normal case?

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That's, that's teamwork, right? I mean, that's [laughs] that's what it really requires.

So I think my favorite thing is being able to work together with people that I respect and that I like.

I think in this profession, it's hard to find [laughs] sometimes people that, I mean, you can find really smart, intelligent, good lawyers, but people that are good lawyers, but also really good people-

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Yeah, and it, and it's, it's is, it's, you zone in, and it's a dance, right? I, I really feel like it's a dance, and it's about active listening, and I can't underestimate that enough, right? You have to listen to the answers, right? The questions are obviously important, and you want the jury at the end of the examination to be listening more to the questions than even the answers.

But in order to, to pivot and to ask the right questions, I think you have to listen-