So can you take me back to the origin of it? You know, basically, when did Mary Lindsay ask you to do this?

Oh, wow.

I even didn't know that we had 176 pages.

Oh, man.

Well, I think we were all in the same boat, right? I think this collaboration really started from a shared feeling in the field that endothelial function had become incredibly, incredibly powerful.

But at the same time, incredible variable, right? We all realize that if you wanted the science to move forward in the way we can reproduce it, we need some more clear guidance or some level of standardization.

Well, and honestly, a huge part of this happened because of Marilyn.

That was just a