So yeah, they're my two highlights.

I'm Cameron Lawman and I'm from the Department of Energy, Environment, Climate Action in Victorian Government.

And over the last three days, there's been a lot of learnings around what a sense of place means and cultural authority.

And I think probably some of the sessions that were most interesting to me were the short, sharp ignites, which are even shorter than a Japanese kachapichu.

by five seconds a slide and yesterday evening at the gala dinner Matt and I had gone up to accept on behalf of first-person consulting and the department the systems award which isn't given out every year there has to meet a certain threshold of I guess, against a rubric, as I'm sure.

And that was quite meaningful to represent the many hours behind the scenes of thousands of people collecting data that feeds into such a evaluation framework across hundreds of different programs through the years from its implementation in 2018 to now.

uh, being improved all this way through to 2026? Wouldn't be right.

If we think about and look at what happened with economics way back when, it used to be a very pluralistic approach