Where do you see, like, friction between how the climbing community is interacting, um, with, with various routes and the Park Service? Where are we, and maybe where are we, like, doing things well?

I think a good place to start with, with that question would be to explain what the climbing rangers do and how the Park Service is interacting with the climbers.

And our program is very much focused on outreach and education and working with the climbers to, uh, to promote self-policing and good behavior, and kind of trying to get everyone on board with the idea of regulating ourselves as climbers and knowing that we are not really in a position where we're, where we want to or can heavily regulate this activity.

And that has worked really well for a very long time due to how passionate climbers are about their activity, which is, like, very much tied into the Snake Dike conversation.

I would say that climbers do a great job in caring a lot about the history and the activity and the place, and we often highlight kind of bad actors or bad actions from folks that happen.

But those are definitely, like, a, a small subset of climbers that are here.

For the most part, people coming and climbing in Yosemite aren't caching things and leaving them.

And I saw a lot of chatter on, on the internet like, "Isn't there a process to, you know, to, to like, you know, apply to put bolts in and things like that?" And it's like, no, and it's, you know, you guys are sta- straddling this thing that's really like a fascinating part of our user group and land managers interfacing over these bolts.