And how have you been able to benefit from your leadership development at Mormon Technology Center?

So my leadership development has been great.

So pretty much at my shop right now, I'm a QC, which is quality control.

So before anything goes in the paint booth, it has to go through me.

So I'm pretty much a supervisor over my entire shop.

And before anything goes to the next step, I have to go over and check it.

So I've been...

How else has MNTC prepared you for your future career? Those are two big steps right

Mm.

And so, um, for a lot of years, I just hung on tighter.

Uh, you know, uh, more solitary confinement, more solitary confinement.

And then, um, finally...

Uh, well, in one of those solitary confinement trips, I was next to a guy, uh, named Arnaldo Ruiz, and he, uh, told me about a program at OSP, um, that the rabbi ran, uh, called Restorative Justice, and that if we ever landed at the prison together, he would get me in.

Uh, one day I get called to the chapel, which a lot of times is scary 'cause that's, the chaplains are the folks who notify you of a, a death in the family or something wrong, right? And so that was spooky.

Uh, you know, we always think the worst.

Mm-hmm

Mm.

And so, um, for a lot of years I just hung on tighter, uh, you know.

Uh, more solitary confinement, more solitary confinement.

And then, um, finally...

Uh, well, in one of those solitary confinement trips, I was next to a guy, uh, named Arnaldo Ruiz, and he, uh, told me about a program at OSP, um, that the rabbi ran, uh, called Restorative Justice, and that if we ever landed at the prison together, he would get me in.

Uh, one day I get called to the chapel, which a lot of times is scary 'cause that's, the chaplains are w- the folks who notify you of a, a death in the family or something wrong, right? And so that was spooky.

Uh, you know, we always think the worst.

Mm-hmm