But in terms of the punk rock community, when did you start to kind of feel it unravel a bit?

Um, we didn't really notice anything.

Like there was like some, there was some chatter things, you know, just kind of, you know, bouncing around the internet, um, mostly reddits and subreddits, a lot of re you know, people read gurgitating the same stuff.

Nothing really happened.

There was really no like impact to ticket sales or anything like that.

There was, you know, it was, it was kind of a joke, frankly, like it was kind of something like we were all kind of just like laughing about it.

Yeah.

What sort of dialogue do you think we need in the punk community to kind of at least start accepting other people, not be so quick to, I guess, cancel or react, but to have a dialogue?

definitely.

We got it because we went to, uh, I got in some trouble in high school and ended up kind of moving around between schools and ended up at this strange school for, uh, misfit toys.

We'll call it.

And it was, there was a bunch of us there that just kind of like, didn't really have, uh, a place.

And it was like, it was cool because it was just really honestly, like a lot of punk rock kids.

And then like a lot of like gangster kids that had been kicked out of schools and whatever.

And we all got along and like, just were friends and we would hang out and go smoke cigarettes behind the building and like, you know, whatever, like it didn't matter if you were like a dude with a Mohawk or some like tagger guy, like we just all kind of hung out and like, It was cool.

That's what's crazy.