You know what I mean? You just, you saying like, just growing up, man, let's talk about how you get, how did you get started? We talked about it, you know, in the pre-interview part in the green room, but can you tell the people, cause they, you know, some people who've been on Wrestling for the Culture that you've known and come across and, you know, you said that was an influence.

Yes.

Well, It's been a long journey.

I know the great Cody Rhodes says, sometimes you find your destination wandering about.

That's paraphrasing, of course.

But I wandered about.

I modeled for a big chunk of my adolescence and teenage years.

Uh-huh.