So tell us how you got into running and ultra running.

Yeah, no, no, I'd appreciate that.

Yeah, so I started for myself when I was a teenager.

I was training to join the Marines.

So I was a bit naive and signed up to a 50-mile ultra, which is the Nomad Ultra.

It's still going now, the 50-mile loop of Derbyshire.

I signed up to that when I was...

yeah but