But what are some of the benefits? You

can buy it on Amazon if you want.

Look, let me give you a great example of a gentleman in the US who watched a webinar that I did around this topic.

He reached out to me and he was a former entrepreneur.

He's retired.

He's in his 70s.

And he said, look, this sounds like an amazing idea, but I'm over 70 years old I'm probably too old to to sit on boards um but he had an incredible experience so I said no look come and give it a try and and he went through the the Veblen director program and within three months he was sitting on three boards and then I'm not tell you about all of them.

So let's talk before we go to break about how can a small business, let's just say 10 million and under, how should they structure their boards?