But tell us about that transition that you're going through.

the transition of uh i was i myself was ready to step out of being a camper and fulfill a role of being someone who serves instead of being served and if you have a mature mind at a young younger age and you have good parents you're excited to make that transition because you want to help others and so Camp staff definitely left that option open.

They let you go to camp as a camper at 18, but I was like, I've done it enough times.

And of course, if you do something enough times, regardless, you will want to change.

But just growing up and being like, I want to have a servant, more of a servant attitude is where...

You you find more gratification and in that sense not meaning you can't be a help to your fellow Campers if you're in camp, right? But I think realistically a lot of these Camp staff I should say or the staff members seniors our parents or grandparents family relatives of the campers and so getting to know them it's like one big family and yes there are strict there are rules in in camp but if you follow them you are going to succeed but that's that's the beauty of it a lot of camps and a lot of cultures today is very they're very acceptant to anything and that's the problem

So how do you see through people without becoming judgmental?

First, I'd like to see about what their actions are like.