That was, that

was, yeah, it was kind of weird if you really think about it because there were things that would happen.

Like, I remember this one, you know, and God bless him, he's gone now, but Buddy Ryan, Buddy was one of my favorite guys.

I mean, and Buddy, again, was somebody you either loved Buddy or you weren't that fond of him and that's what it was in the team.

Buddy had set up a kind of us against the world with the defensive players.

I mean, even when it came to his own teammates, to the offensive players.

I remember Ernie Givens one time, he came into the locker room after they had a contentious battle, offense versus defense, and Buddy had said something to the effect of, I don't even know who those guys are over there.

Do you want to talk about him a little bit?