2:20That was never a fun thing for me.
2:23Um, but, you know, it...
2:24And I was successful.
2:25You know, at that time I'd cloned intestinal trefoil factor dream, gene, which, uh, the lab was working on, now called TFF3.
2:34Turned out to be important for Barrett's esophagus potentially, um, but not too much for IBD probably.
2:41Around two years into it, um, my first son was born, and that made me introspect quite a bit about what, what I really felt about my laboratory experience.
7:31And this is probably something we really need to go into, at least with the drugs we have in our hands now, or?