So what is it that you saw that the guys

who stayed didn't see? The main thing I saw, there was a bunch of little nuances, but the main thing I saw was the enormous amount of violence that that group was involved in.

From the suppliers in Colombia to the smugglers themselves, whether it's plane, a lot of it was plane, some boats, to the distributors, they were just all gun-crazy idiots.

And why do you think that was? Because it was so lucrative? No, I'll tell you why.

When you snort cocaine, the first thing that happens, it's very addictive, first of all, and we didn't know that.

We as a generation were lied to.

They said if you take LSD in the 60s that your kids are gonna all be deformed.

I mean, Craig had that shootout at Cat Island, and then he put a shotgun in somebody's mouth, right? Was that a regular thing, or was that just a rare

I look like a pig.

Yeah, a big fat guy.

What had happened to him, he was at a different prison and he was so mean and nasty to the guards that they got him on the stairs and I think they, I don't know if they shanked him, but they definitely pushed him down the stairs and he had a little bit of a brain damage.

You know, he wasn't all there after banging his head on the way down the stairs from whatever prison he came from, but he was still just mean.

He was the, oh, you got too many books.

Yeah.

and, or you're out of bounds, you know, you're, you stepped over the line.

you know, you know, so Bruce, Bruce, what was the, what, well, Bruce, let me just ask you, what, what were you thinking when you, you heard the message from Barrett? What, what were you thinking? Like, finally we found them.

Um, so that's 30 years later, right? From when you were in the middle of doing your thing and, um, or 20 years later, what do you think took so long?

You know, I don't know.

First of all, you had the most corrupt president in the history of the United States, you can Google that, Richard Nixon, declaring war on marijuana.

Now, let me tell you what this brilliant guy did did with his war on drugs, war on marijuana.

He shut down.

They were successful.

They closed us all the big smugglers down, the marijuana smugglers.

Well, I am, but I gotta jump back to answer it.

So 15,000 square feet of customer service reps that are selling cards or taking phone or fixing people's problems and helping them at long distance.

You know, the 15,000 was the sales force.

The hotshot network marketers all had a room.

And then $11,000 was for the customer service that take the problems, you know.

Right, right, right.

Whether it's network marketing problems or whether it's phone card problems.

So we'd walk and we'd go to... to the one office when wanting to press someone and go, what are you working on? Oh, we're working on a U-Haul deal to do you and go the next off.

Well, at least you had the good deal on the long distance.

How'd you meet these guys? How'd you meet these guys? How did these guys come across your path? They're bros.

I'll interject.

Larry Brilliant, first of all, I want to put a word for Larry Brilliant.

Larry Brilliant is one of my heroes.

He was on the UN team of doctors that eradicated smallpox in India, which wiped out smallpox.

That's why we have no smallpox today.

He was there at the last case.

Um, he was, uh, dressed up as a clown,