Mm-hmm

... uh, and just sort of World War I wave attacks.

Uh, and their response to drones were one person stand out in the open to draw fire, and then two would hide in the, in the grass or the woods to shoot at the drone.

So, uh, so ver- early on, everyone I think was very dismissive of North Korean capabilities, equipment, ammunitions, as well as the troops.

But they evolved.

Uh, and you can think of it as, as almost a football team.

If you're back home and you're only training against your own team in your own stadium, and you don't realize that the game has evolved over the decades, then when you go against another team, you're overwhelmed.

Right.