Here's Bruce Herman.

When I ask the question, what are we? What am I? My first response is we are in relationship and we were made by a maker to be makers.

And so we are makers.

If we let that go somehow and we become mere consumers, I think we begin to enter into some kind of illness of one sort or another.

Maybe it's a moral illness.

It could be actually mental illness.

emotional illness, et cetera.

I want to ask you to elaborate, because if the mode of reception is not properly consumption, what more can we say about a more befitting and dignifying approach to engaging in orienting ourselves toward art?

Uh, what is a satisfactory debut, what is a, a good debut for the Spartans, year one under Pat Fitzgerald? What do you wanna see?

I, I, I would say just being bowl el...

And I love Pat Fitzgerald.

I love what he's been doing, so I, I'm, I'm really happy about the future.

But this particular year, I definitely think just becoming bowl eligible, even if that's only six and six.

Yeah.

But when, when the whole thing first happened and, and Guskiewicz was leaving, obviously was devastating.

Uh, I thought he was, he was gonna...