But even before you started playing, can you remember

Carlow Park? Did you ever go there as a schoolboy? Yeah.

I actually, when I was playing fellas there, I started with seven asides.

Yeah.

And we used to play at halftime in the middle.

Yes, of course.

And the run out of them, they'd be made up over your ankles and that sort of days.

Can I take you back a bit to Ellerslie when you played at Ellerslie and you played in Premier's there? First of all, who was coaching you then and the players that you were with back in Ellerslie when you were playing topside?