Mm.

"This is how it works." And so they kept having kids, but man, arguably, probably didn't want all of them, and so there was just massive amounts of, of abuse.

And if you, if you're a person that has been abused or has had any kind of, like- Uh, abuse in your story, you might wanna pause this next part, or just, like, heads up, there's some intensities here.

But, um, yeah, my, so many of my dad's siblings were both physically and sexually molested and raped by their father.

And so it was the most heinous situation that you could think about.

And so my dad grew up in that environment, no doubt being affected, and my mom and dad meet each other.

They find Jesus at 18, and they get married, and they're like, "W- all of the problems in our life are solved." And I would say, in many ways, they were.

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Brooke and I, our phone numbers are.

Yeah, please.

No, I mean, just like you would have a lot to add here, if that is your dynamic.

I mean, it's not, just like Elizabeth said, it's not straightforward.

Like, this isn't, there's not an answer.

And I think, I'll do my best to tell you my experience, but it would be stupid of anyone listening to go like, oh, that situation is my situation.

Therefore, if I just do what Brooke's doing, it will work.

Like what, what is that glue? What is keeping you guys together?

And, um, I can go into that in a minute, but yeah, tell us like why you wanted to write it and where that came from.

You want a funny story.

Do you like funny stories? Do you like stupid stories? I love funny stories, yes.

This is a stupid, funny story.

So you're holding a product, a book, which is a beautiful, fun thing.

And the design element was really important to me, as we kind of mentioned as even an aside, but it was because I wanted people to feel like they could leave it out because visual cues are so much a part of the problem when it comes to most things that we really want to make important.

Just like if you have a TV in the center of your room, of your living room, and you're like, I don't want my kids to watch TV.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can't make my son physically do anything.

I can't make him do it.

So he knows that.

And we talk about this all the time.

So it's like, son, I can't make you get up on time.

Can't make you go to work.

How do you protect the joy of it all? Yeah.