And then Brooke, what are your thoughts? What comes to mind first when you think of member and peer-led education?

So for me, I...

For us in particular at GTIA, I really feel like that we have something for everybody.

There's a lot of organizations out there that have education, but it seems to be solely focused on either cyber or tech.

And there's many more people that it takes to run an ITSP or a vendor, uh, organization for that matter, other than just, you know, the tech girls and boys and the cyber bros and girls.

There's so many other people that are here.

You've got admin people, marketing people.

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Do you remember me asking you that last year?

And...

But I feel like that I found my people.

I really feel like the leadership here is really good.

That is something that I am drawn to.

Good leadership, I am your ride or die.

If I've got good leaders, they have a good plan.

You do that all the time, but how does that translate for ref? Like how does rev solve some of our problems?