But what did it cost you as far as, you know, like your identity, relationships, sense of calling and that kind of more spiritual stuff?

Yeah, great question.

So a little bit of a timeline for you.

Neil and I started doing this about 2012.

And so here comes 2012, 2013, same timeframe you're talking about, Brandon, and getting trained in this.

And I naturally thought, oh, this is great.

I'm going to just integrate this into my church.

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