Wow.

Doesn't even register they woke up.

So that's the other thing is proximity.

And then if you are like, "Okay, I need to get my baby to sleep in a sidecar bassinet next to me," or, "I want to move them into a crib in my same room," the very simple formula that you can follow over the course of probably three, four, five weeks, I'm distilling it down, right, for the purposes of this podcast, but you think about the sensory system.

There are eight different systems.

I don't need to go through them.

You can Google them.

Mm.

And if you want to share, like, How you personally came into it as well.

There's so much.

There's so many threads to pull on, Kate, because I feel like, yeah, I want to start at the cultural level because you touched on something so important that I see.

I see a lot of closeted co-sleeping parents who come to me, men and women, predominantly women, like 95% women, but there are definitely dads who come into my DMs, into my email, and they're like, we're doing this.

We're the only ones doing this.

What does this mean? We don't even feel like we can speak about this.

We can't share this with other people.

And it is, this is why I think that so much of the work that you're doing and the way that you are connecting the dots, I would really love for you to speak into Brit, your experience, theory, hypothesis, observation, the parallels that you have drawn between so many of the systemic issues that we see right now in our society and the origins of fragmenting the mother-baby dyad at the earliest age, how do you see those as connected?