[laughs]

Uh, [laughs] he's, he's very proud of being Black.

And, and he goes, "No, Daddy, you're brown." Because it is, um, somewhat of a weird concept how we call people Black and white, but really nobody has black skin or white skin.

It's just, you know, there, he would tell me that I was light orange or something, even though [laughs] that doesn't really describe my skin either.

But it is very confusing to children.

Um, and so it, having those conversations, um, early on is, is nothing more than just- You know, people that have brown skin, you know, we call them Black, they call themselves Black.

Um, some people call them African American.

[laughs] And so for people who come into contact with kids in their jobs, or, like, as their teachers or their coaches or, you know, friends' parents, w- how do you suggest, uh, taking on that role?