And we met through Gordon, but I think you were still doing Zero to Sixty when we met, right? How did that start with you and Gordon?

Yeah, so...

So I was real quick.

I went to college for engineering, quickly realized that I was never going to be a good enough engineer to like be the lead engineer.

I was going to be someone else's like math monkey.

I didn't really want to do that.

So I started kind of exploring other stuff, took a elective in journalism and really loved it.

Yeah.